LA Lakers Chat

[Jojotheone]

Everything about your favourite team! Lakers World Order baby!

Something nice for that start!

---> Tayshaun Prince is on the trade list!
Pistons small forward Tayshaun Prince has reportedly been placed on the trade market by executive Joe Dumars, according to The Detroit Free Press.
The rumor initially surfaced in a piece by Chad Ford of ESPN.com.

There are a handful of small forwards that are believed to be on the market including Richard Jefferson (New Jersey), Josh Howard (Dallas), Gerald Wallace (Charlotte) and Prince.

RealGM: Basketball Wiretap Archives: Report: Detroit's Prince On The Trade Market

P.S Ariza exercised his contract option!
Lakers' Ariza exercises '09 option - NBA - SI.com

[basketmasterf]

Ariza is a nice player and does the lakers need a small forward? They have Odom and they can put Gasol at the Power forward when Bynum returns. Lakers are gonna win it in 09!

[Kobe_Bryant_24]

Ariza is a nice player and does the lakers need a small forward? They have Odom and they can put Gasol at the Power forward when Bynum returns. Lakers are gonna win it in 09!

but odom dont have the winner gen. all lakers love him, but you see what he has done in the finals. i dont know if this is enough! if we can get artest on this position, i think its better for us! and some experts say that odom play a little bit like kobe and that is also a problem. i dont know. i like odom but he didnt convinced me in the playoffs. but if im honest not even kobe convinced me. so maybe we should keep him in our roster and give him another year. i dont know. im lucky that i dont have to do this decision

[Jojotheone]

If i m Kupchak i know what to do. Artest in California. Thats it.

[El Pimpo]

I'm the big Contra right here but i'll do contribute whatever,for sure i like my celtics more then ever,but i do not hate the lakers,other not so that much

So they won't get Ron Artest cause he don't want the mid-level exception means 4-6 millions,that's what the lakers can give to him,he'll wait until they try a trade or into next summer to see his value getting better,the problem is Sacramento is a rival franchise,so trade negotiations will be not easy: ESPN - Artest wants to play out final season of contract with Kings - NBA

By the way if i was the Lakers,i'll trade Odom whatever,with Bynum coming back from the injury,they don't need him on the defensive end,Bynum can get the rebounds,on the offense not so more cause two Bigs means few less room to drive and more halfcourt basketball,they have a run-and-gun guy with Ariza,good shooters Vujacic,Rad...vic,good passers Walton,Kobe,Gasol and two good points guards,a experienced and a young fella,so what they really need is a guy like Artest,defensively tough and who can shoot the ball,the three especially,Odom can drive but he has bad shooting,confidence problem,and he's too inconsistent,today good,tomorrow real crap,the lakers don't need a star or a big name at this position only a constant guy,more athletic then Rad..vic,and they have 4 guys for one position: Odom,Walton,Rad..vic,Ariza.They have to get rid for one and they have another one surely not coming back but who knows Ira Newble.

Let Rad..vic coming from the bench either at SF or PF,him not in the starting five he plays better and take a guy like Corey Maggette the best available at SF and he's not so crazy like Ron-Ron or one cheaper the other names are Pietrus(very athletic and good three),Nachbar(great size but bad defense although shoot the ball very well),Bonzi Wells(great all-around player seems to have matured and good defender),and the last one Ricky Davis(if you want to lose pick him).

So to trade Evans was a mistake,common Ariza is good but Evans is just better,he defends well and is versatile,can shoot the ball,but this step was more to clear the caproll and send Brian Cook away.But the biggest mistake was to trade Butler,he's an all-star now,okay Kwame brought Gasol,but it was more fortunate then intend.So dumb trade at that time.

Maybe i'll talk about the whole lakers team position,but i'm not sure i should do that,you know i'm feeling green.

[A.C Green]

First of all thanks Jojotheone for this thread and anel2kay for your review.
second, i think there is one option that you all haven't consider - what do you say about
trading Lamar Odom with Richard Jefferson?
Richard Jefferson is a great athlete, reliable shooter and very good defender.
In my opinion both teams will benefit from this trade.
correct me if I am wrong.

BTW anel2kay i would be happy to read what do you think that your team need to do this summer?

[El Pimpo]

First of all thanks Jojotheone for this thread and anel2kay for your review.
second, i think there is one option that you all haven't consider - what do you say about
trading Lamar Odom with Richard Jefferson?
Richard Jefferson is a great athlete, reliable shooter and very good defender.
In my opinion both teams will benefit from this trade.
correct me if I am wrong.

BTW anel2kay i would be happy to read what do you think that your team need to do this summer?

About trading Odom to Jefferson,it's clearly a one side win,but only for the lakers,besides of rebound,where Lamar got the edge,Jefferson can score more then 20,Odom not,Rj can shoot treys,Odom not,RJ has to sometimes to be double,Odom can be defend straight up,because he don't shoot the ball well,And the nets need more an inside presence,and Odom is not really a power forward,if they trade RJ only to get an improvement,like Melo and Camby against RJ and some sidekicks(marcus williams...).By the way seems Melo is going nowhere: ESPN - Carmelo's agent assured forward will not be traded - NBA

And i think the Nets GM is maybe a little clever then the Grizzlies GM


Don't need to ask 2 times,2nd next post will be the review

[El Pimpo]

And that was with Kobe and Shaq ceasefire LOL

ESPN - Shaq raps on New York stage, takes shots at Kobe - NBA

[Jojotheone]

First of all thanks Jojotheone for this thread and anel2kay for your review.
second, i think there is one option that you all haven't consider - what do you say about
trading Lamar Odom with Richard Jefferson?
Richard Jefferson is a great athlete, reliable shooter and very good defender.
In my opinion both teams will benefit from this trade.
correct me if I am wrong.

Well RJ would be great 2, the best thing with RJ is that he can create shots by himself, he dont need to wait for open shots or simular, i love it!

P.S Shawn Marion in LA?!?

Dan Fegan, agent for Heat forward Shawn Marion, said Sunday night it is "highly unlikely" that his client will opt out of his $17.8 million for next season.

The most amicable resolution with Marion should he not opt out would be a trade, with Los Angeles Lakers forward Lamar Odom, Los Angeles Clippers forward Elton Brand and Utah Jazz forward Carlos Boozer among the options. Marion would be eligible to be dealt as soon as Tuesday's opt-out deadline passes.

Shawn Marion likely to bypass opt-out; his Miami Heat future now in question -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

[Kobe_Bryant_24]

And that was with Kobe and Shaq ceasefire LOL

ESPN - Shaq raps on New York stage, takes shots at Kobe - NBA

hahaha! great! i hope it was ja joke from shaq then its funny. if not, take this shaq: -.-

[Jojotheone]

hahaha! great! i hope it was ja joke from shaq then its funny. if not, take this shaq: -.-

Well dissing Kobe thats all cool, but when i heard those wordz about Kareem i went ''berserker mode''

He shouldnt even think about Kareem, not trash-talk him...and i dont care if he was joking or not..the words are on the table...i only hope Bynum will revenge his master(mentor)

[Kobe_Bryant_24]

Well dissing Kobe thats all cool, but when i heard those wordz about Kareem i went ''berserker mode''

He shouldnt even think about Kareem, not trash-talk him...and i dont care if he was joking or not..the words are on the table...i only hope Bynum will revenge his master(mentor)

but are you suprised? shaq still thinks hes the greatest center of all time...
after all this things what happens in the last years - i think i get to used to this. i remember me about one scene two years ago i think. lakers against phoenix. shaw dunks on bynum and on the next screen bynum get the ball near the zone and dunks on shaq. after that a little fight between them happen. i laugh my ass off as i saw this. bynum would revenge his master again and again and again, thats for sure!!!

[El Pimpo]

Like always that's my point of view,and for sure i don't think mine is the best,is just mine.

Good 2 go!

If the lakers can be the next dynasty,if they can reach again the finals,win the west conference,yes to all,right now they have that team with the greatest potential in the nba and the best player in the world too.If they can beat the celtics next year,you know for who i rule!

They are pretty well on running the ball,playing triangle offense and isolating the ball for Kobe,but we all saw they missed some toughness,they have also some liable players,who struggle under pressure,with Kobe not going,the lakers are like the cavs,barely have no chance to win a series,depending of opponent of course!

Point Guard:

They have two,who are each complementary of each other,what Fisher brings with experience and toughness,brings Farmar speed and drive.But we both saw against a quick point guard,they have both problems,Parker and Rondo are just some examples,and Farmar can't guard strong guards,Williams another example.Okay Fisher is going nowhere,first the medical need of his daughter,second they need a capable veteran,third coming from the bench will be no problems,at the time maybe Farmar will be the starting point guard.About Farmar,he has another year to prove that he can guard his opponent,no matter how quick and strong,to prove that he can handle the pressure,if the lakers fail another time with some bad performances of Farmar,in the playoffs,they will start to look over for some improvement.But right now,i would be surprised if they move one of them.


Shooting Guard:

Nothing to say about Kobe,wait maybe one,yelling at his teammates after any bad play don't make them better,just insecure!Vujacic is going nowhere,a guy who is not afraid to shoot,no matter what,can't be moved,he's never doubt,just shoot shoot shoot,like mach....!Where he has to improve,create his own shoot,and maybe we will see a some kind copy of Ginobili!About Coby Carl,posting some respectables stats at d-leaguer,but a place in the roster rotation seems unlikely!



Small Forward:


Time to make a decision,right now,if the lakers fail against next year with a crappy Odom,his value will be lower,if they win the title,it doesn't matter,winner are always great.Personally,i'm for Odom staying by the lakers in case of Celtics matchup,but my faith in Odom is barely equal at that 0,0000000000000001,so i have to be honest.It's a good guy,but basketball is also business,so no time right here for emotions,is not about love,is about success.The other choice is to give him a last try and see how he plays back at small forward position with Bynum back in the line up,but bynum back means numbers going down in points and rebounds for Odom,and by the way trade value.If i was the Gm i would make a trade this summer and in a earlier post i already talked about that one.Now who's left:Ariza,Walton,Newble.With is his contract,5 years remaining,walton can't be traded easily,and he's guy who can contribute,a Scottie Pippen for the poors,doing what you want for him,so let him come of the bench for the next 5 years.Ariza is one the few athletic players of the lakers,he brings upside defense,and runs the floor,and his option is already activated so he'll stay,and the price is fair,so let see what he can do injury free.Newble,this guy was playing with the lakers,really or it was just a option in injury case,wherever let him go!Better take a rookie!



Power Foward:

Seems the lakers won't trade Gasol back to memphis,so just let us speak about the role players.Wait wait,Gasol is not soft,he plays harder then he can,he's just an average defender,not anyone can't be KG! I have Rad..vic here cause of size,and some sites listed him as PF(espn),so but a power forward with no inside game is not really a power forward,to make quick he's better coming from the bench,let him be the sixth man,he will love it,and why let him guard PP Phil Jackson,he showed all the series,he can't do that,the only one who could besides of Kobe was Ariza,but it's all for good,i can say that right now cause celtics won.Mon pôte Turiaf,i like this guy,playing with so much heart is rare,he's a locker room improvement with his good guy attitude,now on the court,he has some problems with long pplayers who can move the ball a lil bit(Duncan,KG,Stoudemire...),but his offense game is improving,so i will match the offer he could get at free agent,it can't be that much(2-3mio/year),or include him in a Lamar trade,cause with Bynum back,he'll see fewer minutes.Is kobe best buddy,but i have a feeling he's not coming back!



Center:

Where any lakers fan start smiling,bynum will back,bynum will be back......Okay he's good but don't forget his process could have been gone the wrong way with the injury,so wait to see,for sure he can improve,for sure if the center they are looking for since Biggie Shaq(aka Taste my rumps) is gone,but at your place i would have low expectations,knee surgery needs time,dixit agent zero!Now the backup,keep Mbenga,give Mihm away,mihm can contribute offensively but DJ is a better defender and as good enough rebounder,and with bynum in the line-up,with all swingers,lakers don't need really too much scoring from back-up centers,right here is the next option to use in a lamar trade,mihm has an expiring contract,use it,and Mbenga will be cheaper,i would keep this guy,he's tough and obeys.


Personally a line-up with Bynum,Gasol,Odom,Kobe,Fisher can't work for me,they need a small forward who can shoot the three-point,there was some talks with Lamar at combo-guard and kobe at small forward,but it really really,it doesn't make sense,Odom is not Magic,but is still an option in case of no trade happening:Lamar Odom at guard? Lakers look at changes for next season - Los Angeles Times
But bynum back in the line-up is already great because you can't double Gasol with Bynum and Kobe on the floor,and don't forget others good shooters outside,you have no choice,or maybe one choose your pain!


That's how i see the lakers,but don't forget i'll stay one of your toughest opponent!

Celtics for life!

[A.C Green]

Wow anel2kay what a review, are you sure that you are a Celtics fan?!? :-)
i gave it a lot of thought and i came to a similar conclusion as you about the SF position
but about the PG position i think you are a littile bit wrong and i will explian:
SF Position - its a good time to say goodbye to Lamar Odom, i realy think that Odom + Miham and his last year on his contract + future first round pick for Richard Jefferson is a good deal for both side. so the starting SF will be Richard Jefferson with the backup of Walton, Radmanovic and Ariza.
regarding the PG position - unfortunately Derek Fisher will be 35 this upcoming season and i dont think he will be able to play a lot of minutes in the regular season.
Jordan Farmar isn't a good enough player, he can't defened on the high levels, he isn't a reliable shooter basically he IS NOT A POINT GURD FOR A CHAMPION TEAM.
my solution -Jordan Farmar + Ira Newble for Marko Jaric.
Jaric is much more experienced player than Farmar, better defender and he could shoot the ball.
other option - Luke Walton for Anthony Parker and Lamar Odom for Chauncey Billups so the starting lineup will look like this: Billups, Kobe, Parker\Radmanovic, Gasol, Baynum
bench - Radmanovic\Parker, Fisher, Ariza, Turiaf, Vujacic, Mbenga and Coby Karl.

BTW Turiaf must stay he is an energy bomb from the bench and he Is kobe best buddy as you mentioned it.

enjoy the draft you all.

[A.C Green]

well i'll guess that Richard Jefferson will not arive to LA, instead he's going to Milwaukee for Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons -
ESPN - Sources: Nets agree to trade Jefferson to Bucks for Yi, Simmons - NBA

it seems that its gonig to be a busy night in the NBA front office with all the trades before the draft.

[Jojotheone]

well i'll guess that Richard Jefferson will not arive to LA, instead he's going to Milwaukee for Yi Jianlian and Bobby Simmons -
ESPN - Sources: Nets agree to trade Jefferson to Bucks for Yi, Simmons - NBA

it seems that its gonig to be a busy night in the NBA front office with all the trades before the draft.

Damn i liked Jefferson...well...BRING RON-RON! DO IT MITCH!

[Jojotheone]

News10.net | Sacramento, California | Local News Artest "Not Opting Out"

ah ffs f*cking f*ck no no nooooooooooo damn damn

PLAN B ? ANYONE?

[Kobe_Bryant_24]

News10.net | Sacramento, California | Local News Artest "Not Opting Out"

ah ffs f*cking f*ck no no nooooooooooo damn damn

PLAN B ? ANYONE?

damn it. is he doing it because of the money? lakers could offer him 6 mio. a year. but as a player, who is defenitly not poor, the goal should be a championship right? i dont get it...i hope he had good reasons for that.
so when did prince arrive in la ?

[El Pimpo]

ESPN - Restricted free agents Vujacic, Turiaf given qualifying offers by Lakers - NBA

[Kobe_Bryant_24]

ESPYS 2008